Breaking the Circle for Leaders

EP04 The Meeting That Changed Everything

Jon Manning Season 1 Episode 4

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I was at Greggs, managing daily fresh product into around five hundred shops across London and the South East. Hundreds of lines, thousands of decisions a week. Then the company restructured and a new operations director arrived.

Every week he'd ask me detailed questions I couldn't always answer. Why didn't those ten shops get enough doughnuts yesterday. What happened to that line last Thursday. And every week I'd drive home replaying it, wishing I'd said something that made me sound more on top of it.

After about six months I'd started to tell myself I might not be capable of the job. It followed me home. It sat with me at the dining table. On Sunday evenings the knot in my stomach arrived earlier and earlier, and at its worst I was going to bed late just to slow Monday down.

Then I picked up a book, and it introduced me to something called the map of the world.

Here's the part that still gets me. He wasn't trying to catch me out. He was new to his role too, and he needed confidence in the numbers so he could defend me in his own meetings. He was on my side the whole time. I just couldn't see it, because I was reading his map through mine.

Same man, same meeting, same questions. What changed was who walked in.

In this episode I talk about why two people can leave the same meeting with completely different versions of it, and the one question that opens a conversation up instead of shutting it down.

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Jon Manning is the author of Emotional Intelligence Unleashed. Thirty years on the shop floor, not a textbook.